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#1 2009-09-03 13:41:25

Mr. Brooks
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From: Pennsylvania
Registered: 2008-04-10
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K-2 Talking during class

I am new to teaching K-2.  What are some ways to get students to stop talking during class.  We do sing a lot, and move, but they (esp. Kindergarten) have not learned to be quiet when the teacher is talking or giving directions. 

Also, songs, tricks, tips for being quiet in the hall, or getting them quiet in the lunchroom would help!  Thank you in advance.

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#2 2009-09-03 14:18:53

beckysuem
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

I'd say, practice, practice, practice. If they don't do it right the first time, do it again and again and again. Especially for in the hallway. I have spent good chunks of class time practicing procedures. It is very important at the beginning of the year.

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#3 2009-09-03 14:41:48

Karen
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Registered: 2008-04-14
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

I agree with the practice, practice practice.  It helps if you have some sort of silent sign to show that you are waiting for them to stop talking and watch you.
* I've done a thumbs up and I wait until every student shows me a silent thumbs up before I move on. 
* Rhythm echo clapping is a well known tool.
* My school also uses this: teacher "class"  students "yes", teacher "class class", students " yes yes"...I add to it by singing the "class" to my students and they have to sing "yes" back to me.

Find something that works for you and practice!  Good luck this year!

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#4 2009-09-03 15:29:13

AP
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

After all the practicing. I think some kids need a consequence to know you are serious. Ask a student who interupts you to sit out. Be kind but firm about it. "if you aren't following our rule of listening to the speaker, then you might have to sit out in that chair for a little bit."

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#5 2009-09-03 17:30:16

Maria
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

In my building, all first grade classes require their students to walk in the halls with "bubble gum faces" (close mouth and puff cheeks) and "give yourself a hug" (arms folded).  It's a lot to say each time they line up, but it works very well - and it looks so cute :)
With all my students in the five classes I discuss WHY it is important to not talk when someone else is talking.  Even with the K-2s I talk about respect and how that means letting one person at a time talk; everyone has something important to say and how they would feel if someone was talking while they were speaking.  When a child speaks while someone else is talking, I excuse myself and ask the child to be respectful to the speaking child. 

Some talking you just have to ignore -- Pick your battles!  If a couple kids on the side are whispering and they are not distracting anyone, ignore it.  On the other hadn, if they are loud and disruptive of course interject and say something. 

I have a "quiet sign" - hand in the air, on which I train them in the first few weeks of school.  If they are talking, I clap a four-beat rhythm pattern, which they are trained to echo.  Once most have clapped back I put up my hand and they get quiet.  Then I speak quietly and "get them back."

But overall this is a chatty age group.  They are social, they are learning to interact with their classmates.  Yet they need to learn that there is an appropriate and an inappropriate time for that.

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#6 2009-09-03 17:53:53

angiespackers
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

In addition to a silent cue, I use sung cues with k-4 students that I train the kids to repeat, such as "qui-et voices" sung on sol-mi-do, or Criss Cross and Quiet on la-so-mi, etc.  Actually I use sung cues for just about everything - sit down, stand up, find you own space, etc.  I have found this keeps my students engaged in the process.

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#7 2009-09-04 10:29:38

LisaLehmberg
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Registered: 2009-05-29
Posts: 42

Re: K-2 Talking during class

My school had a 5-component listening policy:
Eyes watching
Ears listening
Mouth closed
Feet on the floor
Hands quiet or in lap

Each teacher had a poster in the classroom showing a child listening correctly, with the five components labeled. At the beginning of every school year, I re-taught correct listening in my classroom and we practiced. Then, I would often turn around and say, "I'm going to count to 3 and then turn back around. Let's see how fast you can show me how to listen!" Usually, students would rush to show the correct listening position. After a while, I could just say "Show me how to listen," and I would usually get the response I wanted. If not, I re-taught how to listen correctly.

In addition to teaching and re-teaching the behavior you want, you can also frontload it by saying things such as, "I'm going to need a special leader later in the lesson. I think I will choose someone who can listen correctly during the next activity."

Of course, there will often be a child who pushes the envelope, so you also need to be ready with some interventions/consequences that work for you. I used to use "seminars", in which a child who misbehaved came into my classroom on his own, valued time to be re-taught how to listen. This usually took 5 minutes or less. "Valued time" included when others were lining up for lunch, recess, and before or after school.

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#8 2009-09-04 17:02:39

Maria
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

LisaLehmberg, you reminded me of something similar I used last year with a chatty first grade: on sol-mi :
Eyes are on the teacher (ssml s m)
Ears are listening (s m ssm)
Mouth is ready to sing (sm s m)
Hands are in your lap (sfmrd)
Please keep them to yourself (do, lower sol, do)

A colleague told me that she had a picture on her wall of these body parts.  after the kids learned the song, she would just point to the picture and the kdis would comply.

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#9 2009-09-08 09:01:48

Meghan
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

Last year I started doing the same  thing Maria does with the K-2's. (singing - "Eyes are on the teacher" ...etc). It works so well! i have a picture on the wall too, and I point to it every so often. I teach or review it at the beginning of the year, and the students echo me. Then, when they are a little too rowdy, I just start singing it. The kids that were paying attention start echoing me, and the ones that were talking get the picture and start echoing too... Then I can just jump into the next activity!

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#10 2009-09-09 14:02:33

SenseiKenpo
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Registered: 2009-05-19
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

All of the above ideas are great. I have found the best way to keep children from talking during class is to keep them busy and on task. I have imported all of the CDs I use into iTunes <http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/>. I type the title of the next song into the search box while the students are singing. The minute they're done, I hit play and we're on to the next song or activity. There is no "down time" during my classes. I have the students singing and doing activities from the time the door to my classroom opens to the time they line up to leave. Dr. Jean <http://www.drjean.org/>  has some great classroom management songs to give the children directions through songs (ie "Line Up", "Everybody Have a Seat", "Put Your Name on Your Paper", etc). What she doesn't have, I make up. Preparation is the key - have more planned than you'll need.

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#11 2009-10-13 16:03:42

isis
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

some ideas:

Build in time when they can talk -- turn to your neighbor and tell them everything you know about high notes, etc.  , or what they are going to be for halloween, etc.

Use musical signals for what you want -- I use a recorder to send out my musical message (saves the voice).

Don't teach while they are talking.  Wait.  And or....Say oh well, there goes the time for..what ever their favorite thing is.

I agree, remove the child but do not make it punitive.  Just a simple consequence.  Another fast action - change the kid's seat RIGHT AWAY.  Whoops there is talking, change your seat to here for the day -- pointing.  Keep the shifts fast and unemotional.

I know of one teacher who has the children PRACTICE the rules - they each pick ONE to practice during their lesson and they discuss how it went at the end.

For the little kids, I try to stick with 3 rules initially - one of them might be FOLLOW directions the first time they are given.

When we play singing games, i tell the children to pick someone with a QUIET hand only.

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#12 2009-10-14 10:33:47

band326
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

For these younger grades, I find that September and October are the "reminding" months.  After little Johnny is talking, I'll probably say "Did you forget about the talking rule?"  But instead of showing that I'm annoyed, I say "it's okay if you did.  So I'm reminding you that we do not talk unless it's our turn, and I know you'll remember next time."

I also drop little compliments around during the lesson.  "Susie, that was a wonderful way of sharing with your friend.  That's why I love teaching this class, you're all so nice to each other."  I'm planting seeds.  It works.

And then, there are those days where I simply fold my arms and wait.  And I'll catch somebody's eye and shrug, and they start the shushing and the "she's waiting!"  I am rarely the bad guy.  Or gal.

:^)

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#13 2009-10-19 00:37:04

MsJoyce
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Registered: 2009-07-18
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

Our K-8 school used "DWP" Discipline with Purpose.  It's a wonderful program that teaches 15 life "skills."  The primary 5 are 1) LISTENING, 2) FOLLOWING INSTRUCTIONS, 3)SOCIAL SKILLS, 4) SHARING, 5) Asking Questions.

We taught the SKILL of Listening much like several of the above comments suggested: STOP what you're doing, LOOK at the speaker, CLEAR away distractions, HEAR, REPEAT, then DO.
Any time we had to stop the class for noise we would reinforce the steps of Listening.  Students who were demonstrating good listening skills could get stickers, compliments, etc.
When we get to the following instructions skill, the first step is Listening, so you back up and do it all over again.  I also had a 3 word sequence taped to the side of the piano at floor sitter's' eye level>  Listen, Sing, Do

This reminder often was encouragement enough because DO could mean movement, games, instruments, solos, etc.
Yes, this takes time, but it is worth every repetition.  Very seldom did I ever have discipline problems when the whole school taught self dicipline this way. 
Repeat offenders (forgetters) were placed apart with a paper that had the 5 skills with pictures.  They had to draw (or wrtie) what they were doing in the first box, and what proper discipline looked (sounded) like in the second box.  It was given to the homeroom teacher, sent home for a parent signature and returned to the homeroom teacher.  You do have to involve the homeroom teacher in some way since we only see them once or twice a week.

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#14 2009-11-04 23:34:48

Mr. Brooks
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Re: K-2 Talking during class

"Eyes are on the teacher,
Ears are listening
Mouths are ready to sing
Hands are in our lap
Please keep them to yourself."

That works AMAZINGLY well.  We even have them singing it in the lunch room when we want them to be quiet!  Things are getting much better as the kids understand the rules.  Some seat arranging was necessary.

I have also learned that the more they sing, the less they talk.  We will probably sing 5-6 songs in a row and this keeps them nice and occupied.

Thank you for all of your suggestions!

-Mr. Brooks

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